Veness Family History
Veness Family History in Battle, East Sussex
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Alisan Greeff 13 Dec 2019 |
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How fascinating! Thanks for sharing this with us ;-) I am in Australia now, but my maternal great-grandmother was a Veness. |
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Kevin Regan 20 Nov 2019 |
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Hello - now here's what may be a weird coincidence. I volunteer at Battle Museum of Local History and we were discussing the ancient Roman ironworkings at Beauport Park, on the outskirts of Battle. Someone mentioned that nearby is an iron working company. The director turns out to be a Robert William Venness, so reading through all your posts, it could well be that he goes back to the Huguenots who fled from France in the mid 1500's. The Huguenots were often skilled workers, often in the iron industry and may well have contributed to the building of blast furnaces which kick started the Weald cannon foundry businesses (and gun powder) in the area. Very interesting! |
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Allan Veness 5 May 2019 |
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I am an Australian direct decendant of John and Ann Veness who arrived in Australia in 1839. Our records show John's father as Thomas and his mother as Mary Davis. Thomas was born in 1775 and John in 1808. I know that John and Ann were married in St Marys Battle in 1834 but have information as to where they lived. |
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*USER* *DELETED* 6 Nov 2018 |
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To close this particular thread the paper trail and genetics now provide a match to the BACON family of Lincolnshire to the Birmingham VENESS family, so the origins of the John SMITH, John Bacon SMITH genes are proven. I have posted in reply to Richard that we have an intriguing lead for the genetics of Samuel VENESS which is the current focus of investigations. |
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*USER* *DELETED* 6 Nov 2018 |
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Richard - Some interesting developments. My sibling's DNA has provided a match between those who have tested atDNA with Ancestry and are connected to the Birmingham family in England and a descendant of John VENESS in Australia, who arrived in 1839; the son of Battle farmer Thomas VENESS and his wife Mary. Ancestry researchers have the wife's name as Mary DAVIS, but I haven't been able to confirm. Additionally, all have taken (perhaps they are the easiest to attribute)Thomas' parents as the Said Samuel & Sarah. If true, it means our Samuel in England could at best be a son of a brother of Samuel senior. We remain frustrated by a clear baptismal record to pull this together, but the DNA is nevertheless intriguing. If any Australian VENESS descendants have tested atDNA (with any company) please let me know and share the data on GEDmatch. The match currently appears to be on chromosome 5. |
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Richard Veness 11 Jul 2018 |
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Hallo Mark – I’ve just come back to this web site after many years. I’m intrigued by your comment that have been in discussions with a direct descendant of Samuel VENESS and Sarah STONESTREET as I am also a direct descendant them via their son Thomas VENESS and Mary STONEHAM. |
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Amanda Severn 11 Jun 2018 |
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Richard, |
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Patricia Genders 11 Jun 2018 |
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Hi, I just found your message from a few years ago from Jenny Quinn. I am also a Veness decendant. My great grandfather was Solomon Huband Veness and he was a brother to Isaac Edward Veness. Their dad and mum were Frederick and Ann Veness. They were all born in Randwick in Lingard Street (the family home). My dad, Frank Keith Veness and his 4 brothers and 2 sisters were also born at that address. Would love to hear more. Regards, Tricia Genders (nee Veness). I live on the Gold Coast so it's not too far away from Brisband. Hope to hear from you. |
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Carole Venis 14 Nov 2017 |
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Hello Richard, |
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Alisan Greeff 9 Nov 2017 |
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Sounds potentially exciting! |
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Stuart Oliver 7 Nov 2017 |
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Hi Rob, |
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Richard Veness 6 Nov 2017 |
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Carole, |
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Rob Venus 5 Nov 2017 |
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Hi Stuart, |
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Stuart Oliver 1 Nov 2017 |
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Carole, you are more than welcome to jump in on an old thread. Don't know how much I can help you but am will ing to try. At the moment I am in and out of hospital so may be some gaps in my replies. My wife is a Veness and goes back to Nicholas Venis, father of James Venis (1594). I don't have a Nicholas (1560) but sounds like maybe a brother to James. I have none of James siblings. Please email me at [email protected] and I will give you access to a book I wrote some years ago on the Veness Family History as well as the names I have and another contact that may be able to help. Regards, Stuart. |
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Carole Venis 29 Oct 2017 |
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Hello Stuart, |
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Carole Venis 28 Oct 2017 |
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Hello Ann, |
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*USER* *DELETED* 5 Jun 2017 |
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Should have mentioned that Betsy VENESS recorded on the marriage record of her son is a female as the occupation is clearly "tailoress". If anyone is interested in the record, I have a copy. |
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*USER* *DELETED* 5 Jun 2017 |
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Hello Robin - My apologies for the late reply and acknowledgement as I was engaged elsewhere. Your message is most appreciated. |
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Alisan Greeff 3 Mar 2017 |
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Thanks for sharing the fruit of your hard work, Robin. It is like a maze! |
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Robin Herdman 28 Feb 2017 |
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Mark / Alisian. I have changed my email address a few years ago. |
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Alisan Greeff 11 Feb 2017 |
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Thanks! |
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Stuart Oliver 9 Feb 2017 |
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Alisan, |
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*USER* *DELETED* 8 Feb 2017 |
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Sorry, Alisan - GEDCOM is not my area of expertise, however it wouldn't hurt to back up under each of the options, providing a slightly different name so you know which is which. |
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Alisan Greeff 7 Feb 2017 |
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A quick question, Mark. I use a mac-based programme someone wrote a number of years' ago. I like to back up the gedcom regularly ... just in case! It gives me 3 options: MacRoman, Ansel and UTF-8. Which is the best one to use (I do all three, being uncertain of how universal each one is). Thanks so much. |
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Alisan Greeff 7 Feb 2017 |
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Wow, Mark. Mind-blowing, indeed. But it sure does make sense. Kudos to you, detective! |
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*USER* *DELETED* 6 Feb 2017 |
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Alisan - |
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*USER* *DELETED* 6 Feb 2017 |
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Alisan - I forgot to add, in case you are trying to get to grips with my last post that it is also true, that on John Bacon VENESS’s marriage to Amelia he gave John, Stoker, as his father, which is exactly the occupation of John SMITH in 1851. |
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*USER* *DELETED* 6 Feb 2017 |
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Alisan - I have been considering this issue further and I may have an answer, although it risks blowing our minds. |
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Richard Veness 6 Feb 2017 |
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Mark - I have in my records Samuel/Sarah Stonestreet had 3 children Thomas (1781) Henry (1805) and Ann (1800). My data is mainly of the line that emigrated to Australia. There are many Samuels but none fit the evidence in your post. Cheers Dick Veness |
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*USER* *DELETED* 6 Feb 2017 |
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Alisan - I have no suggestion of why the family of John VENESS were recorded as SMITH in 1881. Sloppy enumerator or a misheard surname is likely. By this time, he is a working man with a family, so no reason to provide false information. Family match is otherwise perfect. His identity may have been hidden in earlier census for a variety of reasons. I did mention on my research webpage that two of his children provided him as John William or William John upon their marriages. He doesn't appear to have used Bacon from his marriage onwards. |
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*USER* *DELETED* 6 Feb 2017 |
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Impossible to tell for sure, unless the father acknowledges paternity at time of baptism, which is rare. Even if he does, the birth registry will ignore a non-married father if the mother registers the birth. Requires the co-operation of "more enlightened" clergy or registrar to record the father when illegitimate, and is very rare in my experience. The mother often knows who the father is, but you are then reliant on word of mouth passed down through families. IMHO, the time gap between the 1848 baptism and the 1860 marriage to RICHARDSON is probably too long to associate him as the father of your John. John may not have known himself, as there is no census info to support him ever living with his mother (that I can find). The middle name of Bacon could indicate the surname of his biological father, but Ben RICHARDSON is not fully document either, as is the real reason Elizabeth left him for John PARTRIDGE so quickly after they were married. Like her sisters, Ann & Sarah, Elizabeth is not found on all earlier census records. Finding Elizabeth prior to her 1871 residency with John PARTRIDGE may explain a few things. Were the girls in SSX with relations and misrecorded or simply missed because they used aliases? It is all quite unusual in one small family. There is an explanation for missing women, but not likely to be appreciated by family, necessarily. |
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Alisan Greeff 6 Feb 2017 |
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Apparently, John Bacon Veness and Amelia (and family) appear in the 1881 Census as ‘Smith’, in Deritend, Aston. |
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Alisan Greeff 6 Feb 2017 |
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Wow! Very detailed and informative! Thanks so much. My ggm is the d/o John Bacon. I have him as illegitimate, but with Benjamin Richardson as the father. Your info seems to imply that he was from an earlier 'liaison'. Is that correct? |
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*USER* *DELETED* 3 Feb 2017 |
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Robin - I have emailed you to exchange info, if you are still at the same address. I can be contacted via my website http://creativegraces.net or my research blog https://www.facebook.com/Birmingham-Branches-from-N-Z-704020062952731 |
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*USER* *DELETED* 3 Feb 2017 |
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Alisan - We will be related through VENESS. You may wish to check my recent research on http://creativegraces,.net/genindex/veness.html. Your GM is my 2C3R through our common ancestor Samuel. Best wishes, Mark |
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*USER* *DELETED* 3 Feb 2017 |
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I have been successful, through a fortuitous root, to connect my 3xGGM as a daughter of Samuel VENESS, the silk dyer in Worcester. Her sister, Elizabeth, is the root of the Birmingham VENESS family through her illegitimate son John Bacon VENESS. It was a complex search. Samuel is not of WOR county, so like many others if probably from SSX, born between 1782 & 1786. He is not the Dallington Samuel of the same age, who is also on the 1841 census. I suspect, from naming convention, his father might be James, but there are no records in support of taking Samuel's line any further. If anyone is interested, it is now documented at http://creativegraces.net/genindex/veness.html |
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*USER* *DELETED* 1 Feb 2017 |
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Any chance the couple had an additional child Ann Sophia V*N*SS born abt 1828? My 3xGGM. |
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*USER* *DELETED* 1 Feb 2017 |
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Likewise, B'ham, but stuck. Any stories or knowledge concerning an Ann Sophia V*N*SS born abt 1828? |
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Cecile Smart 21 Dec 2016 |
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Am just linking in again. I have not gone any further back ... sorry ... but was wondering if you have any accounts of their lives, how they lived or any family stories as I am really interested in the social history ... |
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Heidi Souster 20 Dec 2016 |
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I have followed my father's mother's line to Nicholas in France as well. Try the name De Venoix as this is the French name. Veness did not seem to start until they established themselves in England. Another tip is the spellings can differ: Veness, Venice, Veniss, Venis, Venes, are just a few. This is a lot due to bad handwriting and interpretation. |
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Alisan Greeff 13 Dec 2016 |
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Hi Ann, I got your email. I will get back to you soon. (I don't think anyone has been able to go back to before Nicholas!) Alisan |
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Ann Armstrong 11 Dec 2016 |
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Hi Stuart, |
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Stuart Oliver 10 Dec 2016 |
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Ann, I don't do much any more - too old - but feel free to email me at [email protected] and I will give you all the info I can. You say James and Ann but give no years. However, it is probably James Veness (1825) and Ann Burgess (1816). I can help with some information on these. Regards, Stuart Oliver |
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Ann Armstrong 8 Dec 2016 |
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Hi, |
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Ann Armstrong 8 Dec 2016 |
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Hi, |
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Stuart Oliver 7 Aug 2016 |
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Alison, I had forgotten all about this. Veness is my wife's family name and I do have masses of material - actually written a book on it for my family. If I can help, contact me on [email protected] Regards, Stuart |
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Alisan Greeff 4 Aug 2016 |
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Hi Caroline and Robin, I am contacting you about my link to The Venesses through my ggrandmother, Elizabeth Veness born 1880 in Birmingham. (Caroline, we may have had contact in the past.) Have sent an email - I hope either this or the email address reaches you both as I would love to learn more. Alisan Greeff |
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Alisan Greeff 4 Aug 2016 |
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Hi, I just tried sending you an email. I am also descended from James and Ann, but through their son Richard. I would love to see your info - though I must confess I have pitifully little from way back then, so can offer nothing in return - except perhaps distant cousin-ship! |
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Stuart Oliver 29 Apr 2014 |
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Thanks, Alan - Will look further later. Just had eye surgery and not seeing too well. |
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Alan Piper 26 Apr 2014 |
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If it helps the blacksmith in Ashburnham in the sixties was Cliff Veness. |
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Stuart Oliver 7 Dec 2013 |
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Dick, |
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Stuart Oliver 7 Dec 2013 |
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Hi Vanessa, |
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Stuart Oliver 7 Dec 2013 |
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Jenny, |
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Richard Veness 6 Dec 2013 |
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Jenny, |
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Vanessa McBain 6 Dec 2013 |
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Hi Stuart I would love to catch up with you. I am in NZ temporarily until about April though home for Christmas my contact details are [email protected] I will be there from 21 Dec to 10 Jan, we live in Leeming tel 0418617820 (when I am in Aus it's not roaming) |
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Michael Quinn 5 Dec 2013 |
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Hi Stuart, |
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Stuart Oliver 7 Nov 2013 |
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Hi Sarah, |
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Sarah Veness 6 Nov 2013 |
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Hi Stuart, |
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Stuart Oliver 25 Jun 2013 |
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To all: My father-in-law was Frank William Veness (he passed away a month ago ages 95). He was a prolific genealogist and I have 2000 thousand names in the database going back to James Venis (1594-) and Ann Burrill (abt 1597-). His line goes back through those who came out to Australia on the "Florist". If I can be of help then you can email me at [email protected] To Vanessa McBain, we also live in Perth, WA. I produced a family book on his line and the Veness family origins and other sof his family. I converted this to work in a browser for anyone interested (don't rush me!). |
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Caroline Craven 3 Apr 2013 |
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I have been going over this and find I was wrong about John William Veness. He was born in Rotherfield, Sussex and he is my Great Grandfather! Contact me at [email protected] and I will tell you more. |
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Caroline Craven 3 Apr 2013 |
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I cannot find your grandmother or your great grandfather in my tree. I also go back to Nichol Venie (Nicholas Devenoix). I cannot find either Lilian or John in census's either. Are you sure of the dates? I do have John William Veness born in Middlesex in 1842, married to Ellen with a daughter Lily born in 1881. This is in the 1881 census and on my database. She married Frederick Matthews. If this is any help let me know. |
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Richard Veness 3 Apr 2013 |
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This is not easy to verify but there is a Nicholas De Venoix that is a common ancestor. I do not have Lilian Margaret nor a John william on my data base - but my data is based on the Australian decedents and not UK bias. Robin Herdman <[email protected]> maybe able to assist |
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Heidi Souster 31 Mar 2013 |
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My paternal grandmother was Lilian Margaret Veness born 1881 Fulham London. Her father John William Veness was born in 1843 Rotherfield Sussex and died 1898 in Battle. I have followed what I believe is her timeline to Nicholas Devenoix (Veness) 1562. How can I verify that the information I have is correct? Heidi |
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Richard Veness 19 Dec 2012 |
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Vanessa, |
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Vanessa McBain 18 Dec 2012 |
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Hi Richard, Did you ever work in South Africa? I worked with a Richard Veness for a few weeks though we did not establish if there was any family connection. |
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Cecile Smart 17 Dec 2012 |
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Dick, thanks for your reply ... would love you to send PDF files ... is there anything I could send to you? Re: pictures etc if you need them. My email is [email protected] |
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Richard Veness 15 Dec 2012 |
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Cecile, Short answer - yes we can trace back to 1600's. I can send PDF's of charts for both lines as I have then. |
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Cecile Smart 14 Dec 2012 |
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Hi, Have just found site ... my great grandfather Samuel Smart married Mary Ann Veness - Mary Ann's father is John Veness born 1808 Battle married to Ann Britt/Brett . John's father Thomas born 1781 Battle - also connected through the Southwell side of the family Sanson Southwell married Elizabeth Veness - I am from Australia and I would like to know if we can go back further than Thomas married to Mary davis and anything about the early family - huge thanks for contact. |
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Sue Hatt 23 Apr 2012 |
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Slight correct to Delia & Richards children. They had five Arabella Maria born 1830 lived in Worcestershire, Jane 1831 also Worcestershire. Thomas 1833 lived Swindon, Alfred 1836 lived Eastbourne, Louisa 1838 moved around as didn't marry till late. Richard Died 1839 yrs. Both Delia & Edward died Swindon. There three children Edward lived in Staffordshire and both Mary & Elizabeth lived in Swindon. |
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Robin Herdman 16 Jul 2011 |
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Richard, Please contact me as I unable to contact your email address in regards Northbrook Farm, Manilla, NSW, Australia. Our ancestor Daniel Edward Veness built it. Here my email address [email protected] |
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Robin Herdman 30 Jun 2011 |
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In reply to Samuel Venice (Veness) of Worcester, a Dyer. He married to Mary Spadling in 1814 and had 5 issues. Sam died in 1849 aged 65 yrs, which led to his birth in c1784, unfortunately no record of his baptism can be found, no details from Brightling and Battle. Amusing if the error of age, Sam died in 1849 perhap aged 55 yrs, this would mean he was born in 1794 for which i have got a record - 5th Oct 1794 at Brightling the son of Sam & Sarah nee Stonestreet. Sam senior was baptised 14 Dec 1753 the son of Thomas & Mary nee Grant. he married 10 Jan 1781 at Battle and had 10 children, there was possibly two sons of the above - John (1792) & Henry (1805-82) sentenced to be transported to Australia on ship "Prince Orange" (excecuted, but imprisoned being guilty in highway robbing) in 1821, both from Battle, Sussex. |
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Caroline Craven 29 Jun 2011 |
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Vanessa - I do have your grandfather in my tree - I just couldn't find him. If you want to get in touch on [email protected] we can share info. |
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Robin Herdman 28 Jun 2011 |
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Hello Caroline, |
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Robin Herdman 28 Jun 2011 |
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Hello Vanessa, |
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Caroline Craven 28 Jun 2011 |
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Vanessa - I have quite a lot of info on George but I can't find Charles so would be interested in the connection. If you drop me a line at [email protected] I'll try and update you on what I have. |
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Vanessa McBain 28 Jun 2011 |
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Hallo Richard, I have only found out this week that my grandfather's uncle George Thomas Veness came to Austalia and I believe may be the same one who settled in Manilla. My grandfather was Charles William Veness of Essex, England. I am in Perth WA. |
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*USER* *DELETED* 17 Jun 2011 |
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Hi Richard, |
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Richard Veness 15 Jun 2011 |
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Hi Carolyn, |
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Hi Richard, |
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Richard Veness 21 Mar 2011 |
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Osmund, I can help, The 2nd Lucy was the daughter of George and Sarah Mary Feagan - George is the elder brother of my G Grandfather This is the Manilla branch. This Lucy married James William Worth. George was born in Deptford. The first Lucy is from Camden branch, it is most likely that they never met in real life. Both of these branches are well documented thus your data is correct. |
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Osmund Lind Iversen 20 Mar 2011 |
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Richard, you may be my salvation.I also use Reunion for Mac, and I’m stuck on this one: |
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Richard Veness 1 Dec 2010 |
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I have the database on Reunion - I can export as web pages. Would be interested in comparing my information on the early history - I am confident of the Australian entries, but would like verification for the England data as has been collected from a number of sources over many years. |
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John Smith 23 Nov 2010 |
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Hi Caroline |
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Caroline Craven 22 Nov 2010 |
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Can you share your database? Really interested in finding more about them. |
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John Smith 18 Nov 2010 |
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Hi Roseleen, |
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Caroline Craven 4 Jan 2010 |
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I have a lot of information on the Veness's from 1572 from around Battle, Hastings etc. My maiden name is Veness and I am interested in any other info. |
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Richard Veness 25 Nov 2009 |
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I have a long list of Veness family from Battle and Deptford if you are still interested. |
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Jeff Hobbs 2 Mar 2008 |
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Hello Caroline |
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Caroline Lancaster 25 Feb 2008 |
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Hello Jeff |
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Jeff Hobbs 20 Feb 2008 |
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Hello Caroline |
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Caroline Lancaster 19 Jan 2008 |
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Hello Roseleen |
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Roseleen Barton 7 Jan 2008 |
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Hiya Caroline, Sorry i didnt get back to you sooner, have been attending Hsps.I have a samuel venes, born 1753 Son of (Thomas and mary Grant) married a sarah about 1780 thay had thomas 1781? samuel 1786, lenni and Richard,But there were two richards (1810) (1807) Samuel 1786 Moved to worcs then Bham also in worcs there was a richard he was married to a deliah Spray in 1829 St Peters Chichester. Delia moved back to sussex When Richard died, sam and james may be brothers ? They were thew only two familys in Worcs, I hope you can help and thankyou for getting back to me Roseleen (Birmingham) |
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Caroline Lancaster 26 Oct 2007 |
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Hello Roseleen |
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Roseleen Barton 12 Oct 2007 |
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I have records stating that family called Veness were married and baptised in Battle, finding it difficult to locate churches in that area, if anyone could advise on both veness and churches it would be great, thanks Roseleen |
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Sophie 25 Jun 2003 |
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Could any residents of Battle, or anyone who has been to Battle recently please send me their views on the town as a matter of urgency. |
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